Scammed Again: Another Victim, Another Horse, Same Trader

In this installment exposing the same dishonest horse trader, I speak with a new horse owner who unknowingly bought a sweet, willing horse—only to discover he had been subjected to cruel and unethical treatment, all to cover up serious trailering issues.

This episode dives into how the same trader used harmful, outdated loading methods that left deep emotional and physical scars—not just on this horse, but on others she’s sold before.

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She briefly describe’s the mistreatment this horse endured to force him onto a trailer. Listener discretion is advised if you are sensitive to descriptions of animal abuse.

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Roslyn (00:00)
Welcome to Roslyn the Pet Psychic podcast, the show where animal intuition meets untold stories. I'm Roslyn, your host and resident pet psychic. Each week we dive into the unbelievable, the heartwarming and sometimes the downright haunting tales from the animal world told by the people who live them, whether it's a horse who knew too much and spilled the tea, a trainer who crossed the line or a pet with a message from beyond.

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Roslyn (01:30)
welcome everyone. Welcome back to Rosalind the pet psychic. We are here with another story about a horse trader, and a trader deal gone wrong in a way, not, the way that we wanted it to go. And my guest is going to tell us her story of dealing with this horse trader and all of the things that happened.

and how to avoid it and what the process was for her. So welcome.

B (01:56)
Hi, thank you.

Roslyn (01:57)
tell us how you first found your horse how did this all start?

B (02:00)
I originally, I'm very new to having horses. I had a horse that ended up bucking me off. I had to sell him. I was on the lookout for a super safe horse that anyone could ride. while I was looking at this horse came across my Facebook and ultimately he had the whole package. He looked perfect. I ended up reaching out.

Roslyn (02:20)
Do you have a trainer? Did you have a trainer then? Do you have a trainer now that helps support you? Are you doing all of this all by yourself?

B (02:28)
Nope, I was looking all by myself. I do have a really good friend who's in horses, I had her come with me to look at every single horse I went to look at, and she knows a lot more than I did at the time. but no trainer.

Roslyn (02:38)
it's always good to let the audience know like how raw or new you are at these things. your initial conversations with the horse trader, how did that go? How did you feel about it? Did you talk to them over the phone or was this all via text?

B (02:44)
Yeah. Yeah.

Roslyn (02:56)
how did y'all communicate? Was it all via text or what did happen?

B (03:00)
So it was all via text or over honestly over Facebook Messenger. And at first she seemed really nice and she gave me a lot of information about him. But then she started getting like super pushy and kept saying, you're just gonna love him and reassured me that he was perfect and super safe. But yeah, she was super pushy, wanted me to come look at him that day and I couldn't and, but yeah.

Roslyn (03:26)
Did

she, did she tell you anything like, he's not going to be here. Somebody else is looking at him. Did she make you feel like he was going to be gone if you didn't go see him?

B (03:35)
She did say that he was a really good horse and he probably would sell quick, but otherwise, no, she didn't say that anybody was coming out to look at him or anything.

Roslyn (03:43)
when you first went to see the horse, what did you notice about his behavior or the environment? Were there any red flags?

B (03:50)
First, when I first met him, they had him in cross ties and they tacked him up fine. There was really no red flags there. When she got on him, he rode great. She was pretty hard on him, like she rode in spurs. But otherwise, no, there was nothing that was red flags wise. The only red flag was when I said I would.

take him and we talked about the offer. When she walked away to go write up the paperwork, she did just leave him standing in cross ties as we walked away and he was all by himself in cross ties. I thought that was a little bit of a red flag.

Roslyn (04:22)
okay. So did you get to ride him that day?

B (04:26)
I did get to ride him and my friend actually got on him to ride him and everything was fine. He did everything perfectly. He did seem, I will say a little kind of out of it. He seemed very, I don't wanna say like tired, but kind of lazy, kind of tired, a little out of it. Nothing that I would have red flagged as like, this horse was drugged, but.

Roslyn (04:36)
good, okay.

B (04:50)
he did, he wasn't like, he didn't have like a ton of pep in him or anything crazy. so I don't know.

Roslyn (04:55)
Did his face look sleepy?

B (04:57)
Yeah, but he didn't have any kind of like drooping of his bottom lip or anything. We did make sure to look at that. His eyes seemed a little sleepy, but we did go see him at like eight, nine o'clock at night. So we just attributed it to that. So not that she like drugged him or anything, but that was, you know, one other red flag.

Roslyn (05:15)
Okay. All right. So you wrote him that day. Did y'all take him home that night?

B (05:19)
We did. So after we did the paperwork and I paid, she kind of just said, okay, well he's yours. And so I took him out of the barn and we brought him up to my trailer. And beforehand, I did ask her over Facebook messenger, hey, does he trailer? Okay. I have a slant load. I don't have a stock trailer. And she reassured me that he trailer and actually sent me a video of him getting on a stock trailer and all.

the video was as him going straight on and then turning around and getting off. So when we went to get him on the trailer, he got on okay and then my friend trailer tied him and he sat back and pinned my friend in the trailer and almost hurt her pretty bad. And she yelled and asked me to go get.

Roslyn (06:10)
goodness. Okay.

B (06:11)
Yeah, so she

panicked and she told me to go grab the girls who sold us him. So I ran down, got them. By the time I got up, she was able to get the slant shut with him standing on the trailer in the trailer tie. But he was pawned at the trailer, like very dancy, very anxious. You could just tell he was super nervous. And then when we asked them about it and she said,

we don't trailer tie him, so that's why he did that. So she kind of like gaslit us and made us think that we were in the wrong and that there's nothing wrong with him. And the reason that he's so antsy is because we trailer tied him.

Roslyn (06:50)
wow, that's crazy. Okay.

B (06:52)
So we just

we just said, okay, and ended up taking him home.

Roslyn (06:56)
Yes. my gosh. Did y'all untie him after he, had the at least like had the divider up. Did you untie him to see if it would help him calm down?

B (07:03)
No,

no, we kind of just left him tied and just took him. We figured it'd probably be the safest, especially since he was so antsy and pawing and moving and moving his head until he got home.

Roslyn (07:14)
Yeah, I would have done the same thing. So I totally agree.

B (07:16)
Yeah

Roslyn (07:18)
what red flags did you notice in hindsight? Like, did you notice anything?

B (07:23)
Hindsight, looking back at everything, one of the red flags was how pushy she was for me to come look at him. Another red flag would have been the video I got. He did get on and off the trailer and she reassured me that he trailered great, but he did hesitate for a second to get on the trailer. It was a super short, quick video and my friend said, know,

Yeah, he hesitated, but he got on. That's all that matters. So we took it with a grain of salt and just said, okay. So that was a little bit of a red flag. Otherwise, just all the pushiness. You're gonna love him. You're gonna love him. Come see him.

Roslyn (08:00)
Okay, when did you realize something might be seriously wrong?

B (08:04)
So honestly, I didn't think anything was seriously wrong until the second time we went to go see them and ride with them because she was supposed to show me a few things, a few buttons he had and you know, a few things of riding him, what I could do with him. That's when I really knew there was something wrong.

Roslyn (08:22)
Well now was that after y'all purchased him or?

B (08:25)
Yes,

so after we purchased him, we decided to haul him plus my friend's barrel horse up there to get a few tips from her with like some of his buttons, some of the things he does, and then also she took her barrel horse to get a few tips on like bit issues and what kind of bit she should use on her. So we went to ride in their indoor that day.

Roslyn (08:49)
What was that like?

B (08:50)
and getting there. So he got at home, he got on the trailer just fine. He didn't stand in the slant grade, but I didn't trailer tie him and I was able to close the slant and get him on no problem. When we got there and I got him off the trailer, he was very antsy, but I was able to get him off the trailer and take him down and tuck him up.

And then once we got into the indoor and she came in, she actually got on him and he was super antsy not having it. She spurred him pretty good, whipped him, tried to make him lope and he did everything she asked and he wasn't dangerous about it. But after we were done riding, we went to go put him back on the trailer and he absolutely refused to get on the trailer. I tried.

maybe about five or six times trying to get him on myself and he would not get on, completely refused and he's never done that before. And this was the second time I've hauled him total at that point. So once we realized we couldn't get him on, the two girls came out and they said, you know, let us help. So at first they tried loading him on, did the same thing, total refusal. And then it escalated from there where they ended

Roslyn (10:01)
All right guys, I just want to stop right here for a second and give you a warning. This gets a little more graphic for those that are empathetic and sensitive. You might want to skip over 30 seconds. What she talks about in this horse loading from these two girls is unethical and inhumane to this horse. And if you are a sensitive listener, I just want to give you this chance to pause real quick and

Skip over 30 seconds so you don't have to hear this.

B (10:33)
up

They ended up twitching him, they ended up whipping him. There's one point that he reared and he striked at both the girls multiple times he did that. He would turn his head and just bull nose his head and just pull so hard. And the one time he got loose, it was awful. It took us about 45 minutes and at one point he just totally.

gave up and ended up walking on the trailer, but it was awful.

Roslyn (11:01)
That's hard. That's hard. I'm gonna have to, sorry, we might have to take a second here. I did not expect that. I, and the, I say this because for the listeners, the last, my very first show, my first two parter, the, the, lady that sold to my client now that we're talking with, sold her horse to that one. And she could not describe the trailer loading because it was so horrific.

And now I see why, because none of that is trailer education to how to load a horse. ⁓ And I say this because my trainer is so good at loading. That's like one of the things, one of the things he's known so much for is how to help a horse understand how to load. And it's a mind thing. This was a, it feels like a torturing process of I'm just going to beat you down and get you so tired that you load. You're just going to give up. That's how it feels.

B (11:32)
No.

That's exactly what it was. That's

exactly what it was. He was literally beat onto that trailer.

Roslyn (11:54)
That's a lot.

Okay, yes, this is not good. So, and both women were doing this?

B (12:02)
Yes, yes. And I think even though I only had him for a week, I think he knew that he could trust me to a point where all of like the mean stuff he did, the rearing, the striking, the bull nosing, everything he did that was dangerous and mean, he did it towards them. He never once even, I've had him for a year, two years now, a year. He has never once shown a mean bone in his body towards me.

with any of that.

Roslyn (12:29)
Okay, so you bought him like over a year ago?

B (12:33)
Now I'm gonna have to think, when was it? Gosh, hold on, can I take a pause and look?

Roslyn (12:37)
I say this because,

because she's pretty, yeah, yes. We are not in a hurry. I say this for the viewers because she, okay, she is so hot right now. in her scandals on social media that if it was over a year for you, then she's been doing this a while since she is has been out of jail.

B (12:42)
Good. Let me look, because I can try.

Mm-hmm.

So August 23rd, 2023. So almost two years in August is when I bought him.

Roslyn (13:00)
wow, okay, so yeah, almost two years.

so, so one thing I keep reading on social media is that she is that this is like a family owned business. Did you feel like it was family owned and safe there at the beginning or any time?

B (13:18)
Yeah, I mean, at the beginning, I felt like this was a safe business. I I saw a lot of really nice horses coming out of their barn. And we did get a chance to know them over the, you know, a couple of weeks of buying and it seemed family owned, but the one girl was paid to be there and show horses out of and consign horses. So, I mean, yeah, it was family owned.

Roslyn (13:44)
But I guess what I'm hearing from you is there was a whole family business going on there. And then on the side was someone else. There's this lady there that's making all this money and selling these horses that don't quite look like what the family owned business looks like or the family owned horses, I guess, look like. ⁓

B (13:51)
Yes. Yes.

Yes, exactly.

That's exactly

it. Yes, she was selling horses basically out of their indoor.

Roslyn (14:05)
Okay. I, so I have more questions to ask you, but I can't go forward because if I do, feel like I'll get more information than I need to actually channel him and, talk with him. and so what I feel for him, so I'm just going to explain some things about him and I see you tell me yes or no, cause I know we're not saying his name. he is a Bay horse. He has no white on him. I'm to look back at his pictures.

he doesn't even have a mean bone in his body.

B (14:31)
Literally no mean bone in his body. I've never seen him be mean other than that night.

Roslyn (14:35)
That wasn't him being mean. was survival. That's, that's what I just asked him. said, you're not mean at all. And he's like, no. He's like, but I will survive. And I was like, that makes sense. he feels like a contrast horse slash horse that has more human personality than most. Would that be accurate?

B (14:38)
Okay, that makes total sense.

Nah!

Yeah, he's super gentle. He's very loving. He will walk behind me when we're walking, like give me my space. And when I don't want my space, he's right up in my face on all the scratches. Yeah, he is very understanding. He knows what I'm saying to him. He's very smart.

Roslyn (15:12)
He, and he's such a good boy. he is also very, when you say smart, the thing that comes to mind is I have a lot of horses that are very cloudy. I will contribute that to gluten. People think I'm crazy, but that's that their brain feels very cloudy. His does not feel cloudy. His feels very intellectual that he can learn things and process them.

which is why he had such a hard time on the trailer and why he has a hard time on the trailer. It's not because he absolutely hates the trailer, although he does not like the noises. I would suggest maybe trying some earplugs. However, I would want more understanding from him with the trailer before I did earplugs because he wants to be able to think and understand things. And, that's, that's the difference with

how he's been trailered than how he is. And the other reason why trailering is so hard for him, which is another reason why I would do earplugs, because he kind of shows me ting, ting, ting noises and that it's very sharp and unnerving to him. And then he does not like how, and I get this and he's showing me this, how it feels under his feet because it's not as, as stable. And that's just the way the trailer is. So,

B (16:12)
Okay.

Okay.

Roslyn (16:24)
The one thing that a couple of things actually that you could do with him is letting him figure it out. It's an always, I would not say kind. You want to always be kind with him, but you also have to be firm and boundaries. The other part is, is his pressure, the pressure he feels from the trailer and from how people have, as he shows me like shoved him on the trailer is

so much pressure because it wasn't them letting him figure it out. He likes to process and think through obstacles and things. the other thing that you might could get him, I feel like he will do things with you, learning things. I feel like he's, will be a great like trail pleasure class horse. Like if you ever wanted to show him. ⁓ but if you ever got a teeter totter, have you ever

B (16:50)
Okay.

Okay.

Okay?

Roslyn (17:11)
thought about getting a teeter totter.

B (17:13)
No! Okay, no.

Roslyn (17:14)
I think I'm pretty sure he would do, he feels like a horse that would do a lot of trail class stuff where, know, you have to pull the rope and the log and you have to go up to the side of the fence or you have to like turn. He's smart enough to figure a lot of that stuff out. Cause I feel like he can, he's smart enough to figure out how to sideline and side pass over. and a teeter totter would be a great,

B (17:24)
Yeah!

Roslyn (17:34)
stepping stone of how to train him and get him more used to the feeling safe and things moving at the same time, which is what a trailer does to him. And, and so, and it's not, and it's not about him going over the teeter totter. It's about him feeling it out and having first steps and processing and being a good boy. the reason I say that is with a teeter totter, you have to just start with by getting one foot up there. Right? So that's exactly how a trailer is.

B (17:43)
True. Okay.

Yeah.

Roslyn (18:01)
And you could practice on the trailer too. It's, it's let me get you like, give me one foot. Good boy. Okay. Then let me back you back off and like, okay, let's get another foot and maybe we get the second foot. Okay, great. Let's back you back off because I'm not, it's not about getting him on the trailer. It's about getting him understanding how to get on the trailer and what happens in all the feels of every step at a time. And that

B (18:24)
Okay.

Roslyn (18:25)
with him, because he is a, what I call a good boy horse, when you build up his confidence one thing at a time and you actually pause,

and let him process and then even like back him back off of it. So he knows there's not all a bunch of pressure unless he puts the pressure on, then he can process it and work through it and feel safe. And he is learning how to calm himself down and self-soothe because a trailer is not like getting ridden. Being ridden is something that he can process because he doesn't want anything to happen to you. So he doesn't overreact when you ride him.

the pressure of the trailer is so high that he has his past interfering with the moment, which makes him very scared and unsure and he can't think as clearly. And then he has the trailer and how do you calm him down in that moment so he doesn't have all of his past interfering, if that makes sense.

B (19:02)
Yeah.

Absolutely.

Makes total sense. And that's where things get dangerous in there with him is when he kind of gets a little nervous.

Roslyn (19:23)
Soon.

Yeah, and that's when I would like want to stop him or slow him down or backing back up so he can calm down. then we, and then, because the thing is, it's not about getting on the trailer. It's having the mindset to be able to get on the trailer and be able to handle it.

B (19:41)
Yeah, absolutely.

Roslyn (19:42)
And when you, when they learn mindset over force, you have a different horse. Yeah. So hopefully that makes sense to everybody. That is completely a lot from my trainer and how he has trained me to do things. And I always see horses, you're either they're forced, there's repetition or there's understanding. there's probably some other things you could explain it, but your horse likes understanding.

B (19:46)
Absolutely, you're right.

Yeah, absolutely.

Roslyn (20:07)
Some horses need repetition and none of them need so much bad stuff that they can't even function. Like that's, not where we're all trying to go. Since all of this stuff happened with him, what is, how has his behavior changed after all of these experiences?

B (20:23)
So, well, after getting him home that night that he got beat on the trailer, it took us months and months and months to even be able to get him to set a foot on the trailer. There was a point where, and I did all the good things with rewarding and trying to let him check it out himself and trying to let him do it himself. And we even had to...

put it down, like put the trailer and put some panels up around the trailer and kind of let him put his food on there and see if he would even just get on to eat. It had to come to a point where I had to have like five or six people here just to get him on. It took us maybe two hours with pulling and trying to get him on to take him to somebody to teach him how to trailer because there was nobody that was gonna come here to help me.

So we ended up getting him on, but there was a few times where he would run off the back and he reared at one point and fell and took out a couple of panels and probably hurt himself. We ended up getting him on. I took him to a trainer. The trainer kept him for 30 days and worked on his trailering and she was able to get him safely on the trailer stand and be able to shut the slant. So that took us months and months and months.

to be able to get him to a point where he would even just get on a trailer again after being beat so bad. And ever since then, he still struggles with the trailer. I feel like if anybody else would even remotely try to put him on a trailer, he would panic if it's not me. But he is willing to work with me and get on the trailer with me with some hesitation, but he'll do it for the most part.

Roslyn (21:57)
Okay. All right. Well, I, I, I'm glad that he trusts enough to let go of some of his past experiences just to get on there. So that's

B (22:05)
Yes, yeah,

feel like, yeah, we build up that trust and I feel like he trusts me enough to let me lead him onto the trailer and he does give in after maybe two or three tries, he will get on, so.

Roslyn (22:16)
So let me ask you this, from like trauma to recovery, and this just doesn't have to be about your horse because I know there's probably times when you're like, what happened? Why did, how did this happen? What was the most emotional difficult part of this experience like for you and how have you been able to get through it?

B (22:32)
think the hardest part for me was that think that was the time where I realized that there are terrible people in the horse world, that you can't trust everybody in every post you read. I guess I'm just thankful that I didn't get a horse that was super dangerous because I easily could have been sold something that bucked me off and hurt me or broke my arm or leg. So I think I struggled with that.

a lot of the time, especially since I bought another horse since then and added it to our herd and it just trusting somebody that what they're telling you is correct about the horse, that they're not gonna hurt you because you don't know this horse.

Roslyn (23:11)
Have you spoken to other people or heard from others that have had the same experience since you bought him? With this person.

B (23:19)
I I've

seen a lot of things about this person and about the horrible things that she's doing. Yeah, and I've had people ask me, know, does this horse look okay? Should I go look at this horse and I see the seller? And I'm like, no, don't. Because you just don't know if she's telling you anything that's true. You don't know if it's a stolen horse. You don't know if you'll get the horse.

Like if you bring the money, you don't know if you're even gonna get the horse. There's just so many things.

Roslyn (23:49)
have you heard that, that people have bought stolen horses from this person?

B (23:55)
I have not personally heard that people have bought stolen horses from this person, no. But you don't know where they're coming from. And most of the horses that they're selling are greyed horses. There's no papers with them. It's just word of mouth or you have to take their word for it. I was told that this horse came from out west. So I don't know if that's true or not. I don't even think she told me a state of where he came from out west.

So she's purely a horse flipper. She barely knows anything about these horses. I don't even think she had the horse I bought from her for a couple of weeks, if that.

Roslyn (24:32)
wow. So let me ask you this because this is what happened with the last person I talked to. Has his body confirmation changed? he look healthier since you've had him? Has him overall changed?

B (24:43)
absolutely. Fit wise, when he was with her, he did look pretty decent, but attitude and just the way his face looks, he looks so much happier in my opinion when he's here. The picture she sent me originally, just, I don't know, you could just tell he didn't look happy. But fit wise, he looked appropriate when he was with her. I mean, she fed him and he was...

Roslyn (25:02)
Yeah, I get that.

B (25:08)
you know, well maintained.

Roslyn (25:10)
Okay. Very good. what would you tell to other people that are looking to buy a horse? Like how would you help them navigate a process so they know not to, or would try not to experience something like this?

B (25:20)
I would say, never send a deposit to anybody. Actually go look at the horse in person and take somebody, you do not know enough about horses, which I didn't, take somebody with you who knows a lot, who knows what they're looking for. Never just count on a video that they do it, that they do what you're asking. Make sure you always do it when you're there. I wish, hindsight, I would have...

loaded him on and off my trailer a few times with her out there to see what he would do. That way I knew what I was getting into, but I didn't and I took her word for it that he just has never been trailer tied and just took it from there. But yeah, those would be my recommendations.

Roslyn (26:02)
Okay, I love this. So let me ask you this. What does justice look like if you think there is any justice in this situation or the situations overall? What do you feel like?

B (26:03)
Yeah

My story isn't as bad as most of stories I've heard. I didn't lose money on him other than having to send him to a trainer to fix the trailing issue I think that she created or somebody created. So my story isn't as bad as others, but I think that seeing everything that's going on with other people, the money being stolen, the things being stolen, the lies that we're telling, I think she should.

get in some trouble. mean, these people are losing money on good horses that were supposed to be good horses.

Roslyn (26:48)
Yeah, I've seen that as well. It does. So how is your horse doing today?

B (26:49)
if that makes sense.

He's doing great. I mean, you we still have an issue with trailering and I always get nervous to take him to places like worrying that he's not gonna get back on. What am I gonna do if we're stranded somewhere, trail riding? But he's doing good. He will get back on when there's food in front of his face, of course.

He's food motivated, but otherwise he's happy here. He's loving his friends that he has here. So I'm just glad he's out of that environment too.

Roslyn (27:20)
And so what's one moment with your horse that reminded you he's still the amazing partner that you believed in and why you wanted him?

B (27:28)
Um, I think that moment for me had to have been when we were down in the round pen and I was messing with him and riding him around. And I have a fear of being bucked off because I was bucked off in the past and I never want that to happen again. So we were down in the round pen and I had outdoor cats and this cat jumped up on his back and clawed his butt to get back up, like to get on my lap while I was on him.

And this good boy, all he did was tucked his butt and took like maybe a step and he knew that I was nervous and he stopped. So at that point I'm like, you know, buddy, you know that I didn't want to fall off. And he just, he did his best not to overreact. So he made sure I didn't fall off or get hurt.

Roslyn (28:03)
Ha!

I love this. Love it. That's what I felt from him from the very beginning is like he doesn't want anybody to follow or get hurt from him, from him, but he also doesn't want to get hurt from anybody else. It's a very mutual respect. He's like the man you always wanted to date. He has like, I'll put up with your crap. I'll support you. But the moment that you turn it's like, no, no, no. Um,

B (28:25)
Agreed.

Yeah.

Yes,

and he's so good with my daughter. My daughter will run underneath his legs and he just he won't move. He'll put his head down for her like he's so gentle.

Roslyn (28:45)
So let me ask you, why did you decide to speak out about this now?

B (28:48)
I think seeing everybody's stories on Facebook and everywhere that you're seeing these stories come up with these people, I think that's why I wanted to come out. I wanted people to know they're not alone, that they didn't buy a horse, that had issues that were told didn't have issues and caused years of trauma to both of you. I just wanted people to know that they're not alone in this, that this has happened to lots of people.

Roslyn (29:13)
What do you hope that listeners take away from your story?

B (29:16)
I hope they take away that even though you bought a horse that has issues, it doesn't mean that you guys can't work through it. It might take months to years to figure it out, but now that we kind of figured some things out with the trailer and we're getting to a good point that we're inseparable. He is the best horse. He's such a good boy. And you know, that might've.

got me down a lot because I felt like I couldn't take them to a lot of places, but once we worked through it, now I feel like I can take them anywhere.

Roslyn (29:45)
I love this. This is good. and another thing I will say too, is when you have the confidence that they're going to get on the trailer, they will have the confidence to get on the trailer. It's when we start second guessing it and putting that energy out, like, this going to happen? That sometimes that messes it up. And so it's trying to like reframe that in your mind. I'm like, yes, you can do this. We can do this. We're going to be fine. Cause you. Yeah, it's, it could be a lot of mental cause. So I say this to everyone, the animals see in pictures.

B (29:54)
Okay.

Makes total sense. ⁓

Roslyn (30:13)
So if your picture is, this is not going to happen, then that's what they're seeing. But if your picture is, they're going to get on the whole trailer, it's going to be okay, they're going to be fine. going to, everything's going be fine. Then that's the picture you're portraying. So every time I ask them questions, I'm showing them a picture and then they're showing me a picture back and I have to decipher the picture.

I will say to everybody as well that's listening is my trainer who will travel. His name is Bruce Anderson. He's nature's view. He has a YouTube channel and I think he has some trailering videos, videos on there. He's really good.

at helping them to understand why they're getting trailered and like what the process is like and how to make it safe. And so I always suggest people going and looking at some of those videos to get some more information and ideas on how to trailer.

does your little girl have blonde hair?

B (31:01)
Kinda, it's like a, yeah, kinda. It's not like fully blonde, but it's like a dirty, dirty blonde, kind of light brown.

Roslyn (31:08)
Is it wavy

and curly or when she was little was it curly?

B (31:11)
No, straight. It's like straight, waving straight.

Roslyn (31:13)
Is it

okay? Yeah. Like it's, it's, but it's not like bone straight. It's, it's got some, I say this, like, is it shoulder length on her? Okay. does he put his nose, does he put his nose on her head all the time?

B (31:22)
Yeah, yes.

yeah, he does. He puts his nose down by her shoulder and yeah, around her head when she'll let him.

Roslyn (31:33)
That makes sense, because

he loves how her shampoo smells.

B (31:37)
It's adorable! Aww.

Roslyn (31:37)
He loves how

and like she's just so sweet. He reminds, it reminds me of, when kids have, I don't know, I used to have like the strawberry shortcake or those little dolls that smelled like perfumes and stuff. So that just, he, he, he, just thinks that she smells so sweet and loves how she cackle, like she laughs and giggles. And I don't know if she just always has this boisterous energy about her, but, or not boisterous, I guess.

B (31:49)
Yes, yes.

my god, that's so cute.

my god, she does.

Roslyn (32:04)
Yeah. she's so, the best way to describe it is like flippity. Cause like she's over here one minute and then she's over there one minute. And then he's just like, she's just, he just loves how carefree and safe she feels around him.

B (32:11)
100 % 100 %

Okay, that's really good, because I'll put her on his back and I just, love knowing that he would be safe with her too. Oh, that's awesome. Oh, 100%, yeah, all the time. All the time.

Roslyn (32:25)
Does she try to hug his leg?

Okay. Yeah. Cause he showed me that too, which

is just, he, he, he is very aware that she's there and it's okay.

he just likes kids that some of them love kids. Yeah. Cause they, they have good energy. They always have good intentions and good energy and there and with horses, kids are usually so big. can't really do bad, bad things to them if that makes sense. So they don't feel it. Yeah. It's just never like, they can't pull their hair like a dog and you know, all that kind of stuff. So Anything you want me to ask him?

B (32:49)
Yeah.

Yeah.

I guess only thing I would like to know, so once he gets on the, the issue I'm having with the trailer is once I get him on the trailer, I can get him on no problem. I can get him to stand. Usually what I have is I have a bucket in there with some food and he'll stand for a second and eat. And that's when I'm able to shut the slam because he tries to turn around and follows me. And I trailer tie him.

to make like to stop him from doing that. And then that's when he feels the trailer type pull, I think that's when he gets nervous. So I guess my question is, is there anything else I can help him to stand still and not be so antsy when I'm trying to get the slant closed?

Roslyn (33:33)
yes, take the food off, take the food off and work on him in a trailer without the food. And you don't have to trailer him. You don't have to go to where you just have to be able to get on and off the trailer and let him calm and process. that, and the re and that might also be where you do get a trainer or someone to come help you because that is, or don't do it while you're by yourself, because that's a high pressure situation for you and for him.

B (33:39)
Okay.

Okay, okay.

Yes.

Yes.

Roslyn (33:58)
And

the whole thing is how do you get calmer in, in trailering? How? And so you're not trying to trailer him. You are trying to help him be calm while in the process of trailering or in the process of actually loading. You're just trying to be calm and keep your feet still. Not you, him. He has that, that's

B (34:11)
Okay.

Okay.

Roslyn (34:20)
that I will have, I'm going to give you my trainer's information cause he, he travels a little bit. So he might, I think he was just up in your area, not too long ago. And so, you, the whole thing is how do you get them to learn to keep your feet still and learn to keep your feet still in the process of this. And then also learn how to breathe through it and realize that they're safe. The food is such a crutch.

B (34:24)
Hey

Roslyn (34:44)
that it also it hinders him because once the food is gone, then he's like, how did I get in this situation? Because it.

B (34:51)
Okay, because he doesn't even

seem to eat it anymore. Like he'll take a bite and that way he's able to stand and then when I get on there like to get him off, it's still in there. Like he's not eating it.

Roslyn (35:02)
Yeah. so that, so if, if you have, if you take the food out, then you just have your training tools. You don't have your food tools. And so what, so my thing, like with my dogs is a good example. And with the horses I work on, a lot of times they know the word uh-uh. So uh-uh usually means like, don't keep moving cause something worse could happen. Cause the noise is going to get higher if that makes sense. So

B (35:08)
Okay, true, true.

Yeah.

Roslyn (35:28)
when

you're trying to get out, you need to be able to voice command to say whether he can go or whether he can stay. And so a lot of times it's like, uh-uh. And it's like, wait, what? Okay, so I gotta stand still. And then you let him process. Am I making any sense? It's hard to visualize this.

B (35:39)
Okay.

Yeah,

no, yeah, absolutely. just like say easy, like to make him stand still. ⁓

Roslyn (35:50)
Yeah, because if he

would get on there and just stand there and then you turn around and come back off, actually, I don't even think I would turn around if he stands on there. I'd back him back out.

B (36:00)
He won't back out. That's another issue. He will not back out. and if he, yes, he will. But if he backs up on a trailer, it is running. He is running off. And that's where he gets dangerous too, because when we originally had him down, like we had to take him to a trainer to get trailered. She even said, like the trainer after 30 days said, dude, just don't back him off. She's like, he gets so nervous backing off. He's so scared. He runs off. She's like, just turn him around in the trailer.

Roslyn (36:04)
Does he back up on the ground?

B (36:27)
So that's what I've been doing.

Roslyn (36:29)
So that's why you do the first foot and then you take them off and then you do the second foot and then you take it off and then you let them get off. So he has to learn how to deal with putting one foot on and backing one foot off, putting two foot on and backing two feet off. And you break it like, cause that's the breaking it down. It's not about getting on the trailer.

B (36:40)
Yeah.

Okay.

Okay.

Roslyn (36:50)
It's about putting that one foot up there and getting used to it and then taking that one foot off. And also in that process, this is another reason why you would be great to meet my trainer is because he talks about alpha mindset. is this alpha mindset means how can I help you? And his other word for it is tyrant mindset, which is tyrant is I'm going to do what I want to do. And for your horse, he has so much of, I'm going to do what I want to do and get the heck off the trailer because I'm scared.

B (37:16)
Yes.

Roslyn (37:16)
And we want him to have alpha mindset that I can put one foot on the trailer and then take one foot off and then put one another foot on the trailer and then put another one on there and like pause because you're mentally giving him alpha. But now if he goes and like and then he's like, my gosh, this is crazy. This is crazy. Then you have to like break it back down to those steps. So it's not so crazy because the crazy part is the tire at mindset. And that is the mindset that doesn't work in human world.

B (37:29)
Okay.

Okay, yeah, yeah.

Roslyn (37:43)
Yeah, he needs to, he needs

the mindset of I am safe and I'm okay and I can work through this pressure. I will say with him because the fear that he instills with you and anybody else because he cannot process it, it's great to work with someone like Bruce because they aren't scared of that kind of stuff and can help the horse to do what it needs to do. And also the thing that Bruce talks about is

B (37:51)
Okay.

Roslyn (38:11)
Wherever the head goes, the body goes. So if his head can't get turned around to fly off the trailer, he can't necessarily fly off the trailer.

B (38:13)
Yeah.

Okay. See he, yeah, held back off the trailer. He just runs, he runs back. He runs.

Roslyn (38:19)
But it's like.

Well, and that's when you kind of like slow

him down. Uh-uh, where are you going? Where's your feet going? So you help him in the moments instead of help him be ridiculous in the moments. And Bruce works with them when they're flying off backwards, he helps them to slow down. And that's because, and this is just an advanced horse thing that you're learning is just because he's having a problem with it, it doesn't mean that we give up or let him get away with it. We help him through the problem.

B (38:34)
Yes.

Okay.

True.

Roslyn (38:50)
This also doesn't mean we get killed or like something bad happened to us

B (38:50)
Okay. Yeah.

Roslyn (38:53)
because we're trying to do this. It's how do you how do you break it down for them and how do you help them? And so so that so if he's flying off the trailer backwards, because I understand his fear and he he hasn't been able to walk off a trailer backwards and feel safe. So he just rather rush through it.

B (39:14)
Makes sense. Okay.

Roslyn (39:15)
And so what

you've done with him is everything has felt safe.

you have a great minded horse. He's just had some really crappy things done to him.

B (39:24)
Yeah,

just as long as he's happy. That's all I care about.

Roslyn (39:28)
Yes,

he's happy and he knows that he knows that you're doing all this to help him. He's not one those horses that doesn't know these things. He 100 % does. How old is he?

B (39:37)
Good boy. That's all I have.

He's 12.

Roslyn (39:41)
Okay, okay, very good, very good. How old did she say he was?

B (39:43)
Thank

when I bought him. And she said that was verified. Yeah, I don't know. But I will let you know. think my equine dentist is coming out tomorrow. That's the first time he's gonna have his teeth done in general since being there. And she's gonna, I'll ask her what she thinks, how old he is and I'll let you know.

Roslyn (39:48)
Okay, so the age.

He feels older, that's why I was curious. ⁓ But that's okay, because they could be healthy. You never know, they can always be healthier. My other question is, did she vet him? Did anybody vet him before you got him?

B (40:09)
no, okay.

yeah,

They

said, yeah, she said he went through a vet exam and she gave me a piece of paper that just said there was really not much on it. It just said he was healthy basically, but that was it. So no, no real... He was up to... I really gotta think about this. I don't know. Hold on, I think I have the paperwork still. I can look at the paperwork.

Roslyn (40:34)
What about shots?

I'm just,

yeah, I'm always curious. So if you say paperwork, how much paperwork did you get from her?

B (40:51)
Oh, nothing

like maybe three like one or two papers maybe. Nothing, nothing crazy. Nikki, OK, here. Here's the paperwork.

Roslyn (40:57)
okay.

B (41:03)
Anemia lab test. looks like they did.

Okay, so I got it, oh, nevermind. He was 13 when I bought him. He was on his post. I'm pretty sure she said he was 10. Hold on, I can find that, hold on. I never looked at the paperwork. I think I could find it again, hold on.

Roslyn (41:23)
So that

is a good thing to know. To know is whenever you, yeah, whatever they post on Facebook, you need to compare it to the paperwork that you get.

B (41:26)
Hold on, let me look.

absolutely. Yeah, I never did that.

Roslyn (41:34)
That's okay, like, cause it's a process.

B (41:36)
She still has his sale add up from years ago. Yeah. Like, yeah, I think so. This was, mean, it was posted years ago, so I don't think she's obviously still selling him. 10 years old, he was, yep. And his post, he was posted for 10 years old. And on his paperwork, he is, when I bought him paperwork, he was 13 year old.

Roslyn (41:42)
What? Did she put salt on there?

Okay, that's what I, okay, that makes sense.

B (42:04)
So he is 15 now.

Roslyn (42:05)
Yeah, because I felt like he was 15. So that's why I wondering.

B (42:08)
So on the paperwork, all it says was, I'm the regular veterinarian providing care for horses in her boarding stable. On this date, I examined this Bay horse. He showed no signs of illness or communicable diseases, told his temperature and everything was within normal limits and that was it. And then I got, I think this is Coggins.

Yeah, Coggins were negative.

Roslyn (42:34)
Okay.

B (42:34)
So that's the paperwork I got on that. Yes, they lied about the age. and that's my other horse. So that's all I got was that it was my paperwork.

Roslyn (42:43)
Interesting, okay.

Roslyn (42:45)
I hope you enjoyed this podcast. I really have enjoyed having people on here learning more about the horse buying process with traders and all that kind of stuff. And if you are a trainer or a horse person and you have an interesting story about purchasing horses or I don't know, maybe you just want to share your horse story with the rest of the horse world. Please let me know, hit me up on any of my socials or my website, Roslyn the Pet Psychic. I would love to hear about it.

I am going to switch over soon to more psychic things and grief and how to work through that processes. Also working with some dogs and cats and stories from you know some more different pets. So if you have those as well, please hit me up. I would love to learn anything educational or anything that you would just like to share with other people.

Thanks guys. Have a great day.